by Jonathan Singer, Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:12:26 PM EST
NBC News' Chuck Todd is now reporting that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are meeting tonight at the Clinton home in Washington, DC tonight. Thoughts?
Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)
Hot Damn!!!
...what's for dinner?
hahaaa.
[beef]
...I'll bet they have some nice seafood in DC.
crab cakes for sure
Pancakes and Crown Royale.
They'll make nice.
Why do you think they will make nice?
Obama has always made nice to her--
I'll stop there.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall.
Seriously, this is like Grant and Lee at Appamatox. ;)
Dave? The American President? Probably not Wag the Dog...
environment.
I mean, do you invite folks to your home that you do not respect? I mean, really. If I invite you into MY home, you ARE special.
But then, that's me. I would still take it easy, if I were Barack, however!
Take it easy how? The insinuation that something nefarious may happen is beyond the pale.
It won't stop. It will never stop. They hate her so much and have been so programmed to suspect every Clinton sneeze as some sort of devilish plot.
It's over, they won, but they still can't stop trying to destroy her good name by insinuating suspicion.
That said, I hope that Hillary and Obama (I did that alphabetically, by the way so don't accuse me of placing her ahead of him) can reach an accord that some of their supporters can't, and find a way to utilize the best trait of both of them to fight McCain the the fall. Personally, I want her as Senate Majority Leader, not some trophy VP slot.
What are they going to do in a few weeks when they can't focus on the hate anymore?
They they they they they they they they they
You prefer a different pronoun?
I used the one that is applicable.
Sorry for truth.
Yo Man,
Dont let them get you down for just saying the truth.
david
That's not fair...I and many others do not hate her...
Just as all Clinton supporters do not hate Obama nor are or were they all racists.
We know that all of you don't hate her. But we have to acknowledge that there are those who did and still do.
Refer to my comment in response to the belligerent poster and my history. The response to my comment are completely over the top.
I suppose given the raw nerves of many commenters, I can understand some sensitivity, but really? I make a statement implying that Hillary must have some respect for BO to have invited him over and the replies go batshit accusing me of Hillary-hate!
Again, I said Barack should be careful because since he was on her turf, it would have been embarrassing for him to get kicked out for being too accusatory or demanding in his dialogue as there were those already implying that they might vent their primary frustrations.
The fact that so many are so eager to accuse and berate is additional evidence of what the "real" problem is in our party right now - and it is NOT Barack or Hillary. It's us.
You can't possibly think anyone actually suspects it. It was a joke, and your reaction is similar to being outraged that a duck was allowed into a bar.
were you here a couple of weeks ago?
the RFK comment? My God....yes, they believed it.
worse over at dKos
That is categorically different from actual murder, no? =)
that Clinton is going to poison Obama with pollonium-laced tea?
Good lord. If I were going to accuse her of actually wanting to kill Obama, I would use CIA or Blackwater cut-outs at the very least. Give me some credit.
I just wanted her to stop saying it. It scared me. Not HER but bringing up the idea of killing a candidate. I just wanted her to stop saying it. That said, I don't hate her. I think she's Al Gore in 2000. I think she worked her heart out and lost. By the end of her campaign, even I would have voted for her.
They let a duck in a BAR?!?!?! That's the second sign of the Apocalypse.
Now, if the Cubs win the World Series, we are really screwed.
It's ok, because the sky isn't going to fall until the first gay marriage takes place in California. At least that's what all the Baptists keep telling me.
Wish I were getting my bags packed to go to CA, but it's early yet, and well, he hasn't asked, and I won't bring it up ... heck, it took us 12 years to finally cohabitate. LOL
Greetings from the East Bay. Come on out to CA. Great place.
And please don't wait another 12 years!
well at least we gay boys dont operate like those 3rd date U-Haul lesbians!
It's VP or I bolt the party for good.
She's already been a VP. Ask Al Gore. She needs something new to conquer.
ILean, i am going to tell you what i told Dumbo above.
The fucking primary is fucking OVER. Do you fucking understand that you dumb fuck. OVER.
We are trying to unite the party here. Get people together and try to have everyone's vote to win in November. If 5% of Hillary supporters in PA or OH vote for McCain, we would lose those states. Do you fucking understand that you immature stupid fuck.
If you can't say something normal or nice, SHUT THE FUCK UP
warranted. Do you even look at that 'whole' comment or into the history of an individual's comments before inserting your foot in your mouth?
A question regarding what I meant by "take it easy" might have been in order, especially when it was clear I was stating that it would seem to me that Hillary would not invite someone into her home that she didn't respect. So then why would it be assumed that somehow I would be saying in the same statement that she had nefarious intentions?
When I said take it easy, I was simply implying that I hoped Barack would take it easy in the dialogue - not demand, not point fingers, etc. It would have been a shame to have cameras catching him being kicked out.
I didn't say he should "watch his back" or "not drink the water." Of course, the fact that you could take such a leap speaks to your derangement, not mine. You need to step away from the keyboard and go outside and get some fresh air. You have obviously become too entrenched in partisan warfare to be able to see the forest for the trees.
Also, given the tone and verbiage within your comment and several below, it is apparent that someone left the damn gate open!!!!
Play nice kids!
I know the answer to this!
Chelsea bought Hillary "Guitar Hero" for her XBox. They're totally jamming to Smoke on the Water right now.
C'mon, these are Presidential candidates - they've got the whole Rock Band package with extra downloaded tracks. Axelrod is on bass and McAuliffe is on drums.
Mmmm... You just made me picture Michelle Obama playing bass.
Or maybe Rock Band, so everyone can get on an instrument. Barack on bass, Hillary on Guitar, and Bill keepin' it steady on the skins. Song choice: War Pigs by Black Sabbath, dedicated to John McCain.
Maybe that is the secret to world peace right there!
dude, they got advance copies of Tuba Hero ;p
Silly Marshmallow...
They BOUGHT ROCK BAND... With the add-on smoke machine...
Obama Sings, Hillary is on Guitar, Bill's Drumming and Chelsea is on Bass.
They are jammin out to the Grateful Dead download back. Obama does a MEAN version of Truckin.
His campaign plane sat loaded w/ press for 45 mins and then took off without him! What a media fake-out! They managed to send out a last minute blackberry SOS, though, that the candidate was missing!
Tricky Barack
sneaky sneaky
The old "paintjob in the carwash" trick.
Speaking of which, I bet Hillary and Barack are playing Grand Theft Auto right now.
nah they are probably playing some Halo3 against some repubs.
camping
That's quality.
I don't know what I like better, Obama putting Lieberman in a corner or taking the media on the magic mystery flight.
Lieberman on a magic mystery flight?
There's always this:
This morning in Virginia's Appalachian mountains, 95-year-old Charles Edwards presented Barack Obama with a big maple stick that he had carved as a gift. Obama held it in his hand and shook it, smiling: "I like it! And if members of Congress don't pass my health care bill, I'm ready. I'll whoop `em. I'll whoop `em. That's right. They'd better not mess with me. I'll have that stick." The power of the "stick," of course, is whether a president can mobilize members of the public in large enough numbers to cause members of Congress that thought they wouldn't back his initiatives to suddenly turn around and support him.... Oh, wait. Al Giordano - Ready to Whoop `Em on Day One The Field 5 Jun 08
This morning in Virginia's Appalachian mountains, 95-year-old Charles Edwards presented Barack Obama with a big maple stick that he had carved as a gift. Obama held it in his hand and shook it, smiling:
"I like it! And if members of Congress don't pass my health care bill, I'm ready. I'll whoop `em. I'll whoop `em. That's right. They'd better not mess with me. I'll have that stick."
Oh, wait.
Al Giordano - Ready to Whoop `Em on Day One The Field 5 Jun 08
refueling and keep the plane flying indefinitely, that would be a measurable improvement...
I think it bodes well. No doubt there will be a bit of clearing the air, and some honest talk about how to accomodate Hillary's wishes after her accomplishments during the campaign.
I also think she'll find out she won't be VP, for myriad reasons. But certainly, she's earned something nice that she wants, and there will be a big recognition for her at the convention.
I'm also sure not only that Obama will pave the way for both Hillary and Bill to regain their reputation with African Americans, but it will also be on them to heal the rift with women.
There will be no more talk of sexism, mysogyny, nor of her claim to the popular vote.
an excellent outcome
Obama!
I do think that's about how it will go, though
I hope they have a nice dinner, and I also hope someone starts enforcing the rules against trashing Democrats on MyDD.
Forget that. I think there are some other sites that should have to do that first including the hate site over at dkos. Taking away markos credetials in denver would be a good start.
daivd
I haven't seen a single diary on the DKos rec list anywhere near as nasty as the trash that was routinely rec-listed here, nor were Hillary supporters on DKos ever deprived of rec rights for no valid reason as so many Obama supporters were here. Not to mention that unlike here, where non-primary but important and content-filled diaries were almost universally ignored in favor of anti-Obama hate screeds, non-primary diaries made the rec list regularly over there, as did a number of diaries by Hillary supporters.
Anybody from MyDD calling DKos a hate site ought to heed the famous advice about eyes, motes, and beams.
there are plenty of us (former Kossacks) in here who feel we have had different experiences and different perceptions than you have.
FORMER Kossacks. The Kos that most people here base their hatred off of hasn't existed for several months, but since they couldn't be bothered to check back, they simply assume that nothing has changed.
And I stand by what I said before: at its worst, the anti-Hillary sentiment there was no more virulent or universal than the anti-Obama hysteria was here. If anything, it was less so, because non-primary diaries were embraced there as places where both sides could find common cause, whereas here they were totally ignored in favor of "OMG HE FLIPPED HER OFF--WITH TWO FINGERS!".
That would have to be a candidate for 'worst home video forensics of the 2008 election.' Sigh.
david-
So you think we should be trashing Dems on this site?
Well i guess i dont think Markos is a democrat?
These are professional politicians who are going to put party first. There are frayed feelings and desires on each side and both are empathetic and pragmatic people.
This is still a great sign though. I hope this leads to a very soon joint appearance with some good symbology and strategy (maybe a swing together through Florida, Ohio and Penn?).
I think we need some strong visuals of the two together (and maybe Bill thrown in as well or maybe side trips with Bill and Obama together). And not just one time, multiple times, that will really help us who arent so professional and pragmatic.
But honestly, at this point I dont care too much. Im already at the stage where I am confident things will work out and all we need is time and it will probably happen quicker than I hope.
and stop carping at each other. Obama and Hillary supporters.
This is a meeting Barack spoke to Hillary about - they agreed she would choose the time and the place. They have a lot to discuss - campaign staff, Saturday, the upcoming fund-raising meeting - and future campaigning.
This is a good thing.
Kind of looks like she's still the boss.
Don't some of the posters here just wish.
Whatever gets you to sleep at night...
It wasn't at her house. Another rouse to escape the press. A secret rendez-vous! A small cafe. A bottle of wine. Candles.....
God, I hope not... I don't think I could take another Sex Scandal with Bil... Oh you were going a different route there. ;-)
Yes Pure Snark....
Seriously though... lets just pray that we never see that again with a President or Nominee of ours.
"we are outside her house, we can see all the shades shut, the downstair light is on, and something presumbably going on....wait....wait.. a dog just tok a crap on her lawn...there seems to be suds coming out the laundry door,.... presumably meaning that they are.... washing socks...more as it developes..."
If she is the veep now, he will never get the spotlight to himself. Give him some time.
get in the kitchen and help me with these dishes.
and part of any deal should be Obama, to go on the Daily Kos, write a column that is highly positive and praising of the Clintons. Tell them to stop throwing names and rumors and bs scandals around. Second, tell every black pastor to never EVER smear the Clintons the way they did in this campaign. Make sure every Jeremiah Wright and Pfleger shut their mouths about them.
I'm pretty sure Obama and Clinton do not spend much time worrying about our little blog squabbles.
Maybe when she runs down and does something to all the Clinton supporters who posted the Muslim terrorists claims, the "Go back to Africa" stuff, the Sambo dialect jokes, the vicious remarks about Michelle, the abuse of ministers and the black church, and so on . . . You get the idea. Unity is hard but you can't ask for what you do not give.
I assure you she will do that on saturday. Also, the "as far as I know" was only said because she was pressed on the question forever, as if there was some secret from 60 Minutes
Over at talkleft most people want him to make it on his own--out of anger I think. I personally think Hillary would be a much stronger advocate for her issues in the Senate, and I think they'd welcome back very easily. I think people who don't think so haven't run for office. Its no easy thing to amass 18 million supporters in a hotly contested election, without enough money, with out the support of the press, and without the support of the party.
It seems folks are still crazed.
More time.
And more of McCain's weird grins.
I'm heightist, by the way, but I do think him a cute little feller, especially when mad.
Guess who's coming to dinner?
Haha oh that's bad.
Shhh... That one just might slip under the radar.
i caught you!!
Well, just so long as the flying monkeys don't get wind of it...
I love this method of ditching the press. I've never seen it done quite like that before.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/06/questions_about_the_secret_ mee.php
I hope they had pizza and beer handy wherever that plane was headed. But at least Barack and Hillary have something they can both have a laugh about.
Barack, Count the silver and have the house checked for listen devices.
Just kidding.
funny. not.
again, buying into the right wing smears....
stay classy.
They are meeting at her house so maybe she should watch the silver. Just kidding too.
again, right wing smear tactics. nice
how would you like me to use some right wing smear tactics against the Obamas' and say just kidding?
I didn't think so
stay classy
What are you talking about?
why would the Clintons' need to watch their silver?
Because a black man came to dinner. Don't you know that all black men are thieves. And worse than that, he is a Muslim.
I was hoping that wasn't it.
and I know he put the just kidding in there, but man, totally inappropriate comment.
the target of his joke.
Your comment is still appropriate.
yep, I thought it was a rip from sam's earlier comment.
I still stand firm in my resolve with the cheap shot republican smear talking points.
not good for anyone to use here.
jokes about hillary, jokes about obama. you're really going to start policing against all of us? have a sense of humor
seriously guys - if right wing smear attacks are now the norm here, I think it is fair to call those who use them TROLLS or FREEPERS. And TR them for being such trolls
Seriously, what right wing smear are you talking about. The couple of jokes about people lifting silver?
they are having anonymous pizzas delivered to RNC HQ.
No Press = plausible deniability
This person, by Sam Wise Gingy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:25:34 PM EST, joked about Barack, watch the silver and listening devices and said just kidding. I joked back and pointed out since the meeting is at her house maybe she should watch the silver. Keep up and relax. If you can make a right wing smear out of that exchange we are in for a bumpy ride.
I got it. You were punning off of Sam's comment.
But my statement holds true - regardless if it was a pun or not - and that is to all here.
I'm tired of hearing how Obama needs to have a food taster or count the silverware.
those are republican smear points. And counterattacking back is not useful either.
sorry, that is just how I feel about it right now.
why the hell would barack need to count the silverware? its hillary's house. he doesn't own silverware. both silverware comments were always about hillary. criminy.
it's just beyond your comprehension that an obama supporter can make a joke about their own candidate, isn't it?
get over yourself. and if you're so raw, maybe it's you who needs to take a break from the blog
Yes!
You are taking this way, way, way too seriously. If you can't take it - have a break, but stop pissing on everyone else.
Pillow fights and paint-ball contests are great for stress relief. The should have them in Congress.
dont underestimate them pillows. man with the right force it could knock you out.
--im a victim of unwarranted pillow force--
In my experience it's the paint-ball guns in the hands of the accounting department that really gets out of hand. It's a shocker...
involved...
For $5 you can get these great foam disk guns at Toys-R-Us. Christmas at home (or any other less predictable occasion) always finds new things like that around here.
Also encourage their use in the office. Been a remote worker a lot for years, always try to show up in the office with some foam weapons from time to time to completely disrupt productivity...
I admire your style. 'Productivity' is highly over-rated and rarely measured...
to repress the urge to reply SPA...ahem.
Anyway.
SPA= ??
`SPA!`
RTA!!!
Wouldn't you love to have been a fly on the wall during THAT meeting?
it's pretty ballsy and not just for being a big fuck you to the press.
If you really don't believe that there is a lot of Obama hate out there, check out this thread at talkleft
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/6/5/1 8202/39151
Look at the postings from tek and from shannon and from many others.
Look at how people comment how funny the thread is. yeah, because saying Michelle wants to kill whitey is really funny.
This is really where you get into hate speech.
I have yet to see or read anything here against Hillary that is as bile filled and hate filled as this.
And yet Armando and Jeralyn do nothing about these people.
Is this really representative of what HRC stands for? I would really like to see some answers on this
300 people... that's who's posting all this stuff, and we have no idea how many are operation chaos operatives.
There will be some Clinton or no one people out there, just like there would have been Barack or no one...
Just remember, that there are Republican anti-McCain dead enders as well. I know one!
herm, kinda looking like they pulled another fast one... not at her house after all.
Watch out DC two big rollers are loose, will the city ever be the same after tonight?
dun da dun
Thomas DeFrank in the New York Daily News today: "Stick a fork in Hillary, no use a STAKE instead" Ah now the Obama loving press wants us to believe that Hillary Clinton is a vampire. This is after Don Imus has referred to her numerous times as Satan. And they wonder why we're still pissed off. If the situation were reversed they wouldn't use anything near this language about Obama. Mr DeFrank is a frequent guest on Obama's campaign manager's show, better known as Hardball.
is not the Obama-loving press. It is a New York tabloid in the same vein as the Post.
It sure is part of the Obama loving press, tabloid or no tabloid. Have you ever read its columnists like Mike Lupica?
Lupica is an idiot no matter what he writes about. The fact that he's stupid about politics isn't a surprise, since he's been stupid about sports for so long.
Have fun, I reckon you've got about another week, tops.
Another week for what?--to point out the incredible bias of the press?
Whatever you think you a
