View from a Hillary supporter

Bumped from the diaries -- Josh

I've been a Hillary Clinton supporter right from the start of this campaign. I have lived and breathed this campaign since it's inception. I have followed every word and every poll. I have cheered and cried and whinned and everything else that happens in a race like this one. I have made all the arguments about electability, and experience, and the meaning of hope and change, and Florida and Michigan. By now I could probably recite it all in my sleep. I have waited anxiously for each Tuesday, and watched each result with anticipation. It has been quite a ride.

I believe now that it is all over, we are better off as a party because of it. We are better off as a nation because of it. After all, even with it's flaws, we have had a chance to be part of a democratic process in action. Yes, this is certainly what democracy looks like, and I am very grateful to have played a part in it.

Now we have come to the midway point in this marathon, and it is said that when you reach the 13.1 mile point in the marathon, you really have just begun. And it is the same in this political marathon, we have just begun.

There are many here that need to be congratulated for working hard for their candidate, and standing by him/her during a difficult and bruising process. One side has won, and the other has lost, but we are all democrats, so in a way we all have won, and we all have lost.

I congratulate the backers of Barack Obama. He is a great candidate, an inspiring person, and a wonderful democrat. If anyone had any doubts about it, please try to find the speech he gave in Minnesota on Tuesday evening. In my view it was absolutely awesome. I am proud to have him as the candidate of the democratic party.

It is now also clear that we will have a united party going forward in this election. Hillary Clinton will unconditionally endorse Barack on Saturday, and at the same time she will urge all her supporters to do the same.

By now it may be trite to say, but this election was never about Hillary Clinton, and it was never about Barack Obama, but it was about all the people who inhabit this wonderful country that we reside in.

Because further it is about a nation that needs to end a war that should have never started. And it is about a country where too many people are still in need of good health care. And it is about an economy that needs to be turned around. And it's about a need to build alternative sources of new energy. And it is about rebuilding our nations infrastructure, so that no more Katrinas can ever happen. And it is about stopping the attack on your civil liberties, so that we can continue to watch and be part of democracy in action for generations to come.

There are some who have been on the side of Hillary Clinton, who in their despair have forgotten all this. They find themselves filled with disappointment and as a result are predicting doom for our ticket, or they are reaching towards John McCain. I implore all of you to stop and remember why you are a democrat. Remember what brought you to this party, and don't throw it all away for the likes of  John McCain, and his band of neocons. Eight years has been more than enough of their policies.

So I ask all those who have been supporting Hillary Clinton to join in the fight against the republicans. Together we are an unstoppable force. We can retake the White House, and we can add 10 more Senate seats, and we can add 30 more House seats, but we can only do it if we are united.

As a former Hillary supporter, I will now give my full support to Barack Obama, and I am urging all Hillary supporters to join in this struggle for a democratic victory in November.



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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 9)

nice sentiment.

i salute you, pollbuster.


"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:18:08 AM EST

It's a bit freaky (2.00 / 5)

with the "i salute you" thing..


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changiness
by lizardbox on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:22:11 AM EST
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Re: It's a bit freaky (2.00 / 3)

hahaaa. right. i was gonna comment you something to the effect:

stop stealing my show.

or

get your own line.
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hahaaa. but i was too lazy


"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:25:31 AM EST
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Total coincidence (2.00 / 2)

but moving forward, whenever I utter the words "I salute you", I'll add a couple of dashes and "alyssa chaos"


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changiness
by lizardbox on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:33:47 AM EST
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Re: Total coincidence (2.00 / 1)

how nice of you. I feel a bit honored. heaha


"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:39:40 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 7)

beautiful my friend and you earn a rec from the X man.


by Xris on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:20:23 AM EST

I salute you (2.00 / 5)

rec'd


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changiness
by lizardbox on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:20:52 AM EST

Re: I salute you (2.00 / 1)

You are whom I salute!

rec'd.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:06:57 AM EST
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Thank you! (2.00 / 12)

And I've really enjoyed talking to you as an opponent; I'm sure it will be even better to talk as friends.  I really love this sentence:

One side has won, and the other has lost, but we are all democrats, so in a way we all have won, and we all have lost.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:20:59 AM EST

Re: Thank you! (2.00 / 16)

Thank you very much, and I have enjoyed talking to you as well.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:24:52 AM EST
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Hatchets Buried! (2.00 / 2)

Beautiful post! Gonna go rec it at the Big Orange as well...


by RNinNC on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:33:27 AM EST
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Re: Thank you! (2.00 / 1)

I second nklein.  Rec'ed.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:08:16 AM EST
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one quibble (2.00 / 1)

i don't think anyone has lost. i think that we all have won.  with either choice, we were going to win.  i'm happy, obvs., that my choice came out on top. but i won't take anything away from the wonderful, dedicated footsoldiers in hillary's army.  i am grateful that we'll  be together going forward.

now let's go CRUSH mccain!


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:47:46 AM EST
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Awesome (2.00 / 6)

It's sentiment like this that is going to carry us to victory in November.


by Mullibok on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:26:51 AM EST

But by your diary (2.00 / 10)

we'd have to conclude that issues actually matter and effect the lives of real people?  ;)

Ultimately, the best of the supporters of any of the Democratic candidates were shooting for pretty much the same thing.  Of course when we hang those hopes on a person, a public figure, we get deeply invested in that person.  But as passionately as I supported Obama, my daughters matter to me more than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.    As caught up in the emotions of the race I got I couldn't have allowed Hillary to lose to McShame and jeopardize the future of my girls.

I've found the worries about Hillary's supporters going en masse to McCain, not so worrisome.  I've always had faith that people like you would carry the day.  That the differences that divide us are nothing compared to the values that unite us.  (guess who I stole that from)

Thanks for putting this so well and a tip of my hat to another Democrat who worked their butt off in this campaign.  No way in hell can they stop us this year.  


by Sun Dog on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:27:19 AM EST

This is beautiful and it should be... (2.00 / 5)

...cross-posted on DKos--if you're into doing that type of thing--noting its source blog, too!

If you don't have and account there, I'll do it for you (if you don't have the time to open one up there now).

Kudos for a great post!

Rec'd!


by bobswern on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:31:50 AM EST

Re: This is beautiful and it should be... (2.00 / 9)

Yes I do have an account and I will cross-post it. Thank you for reminding me


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:37:51 AM EST
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Took 10 secs. to make it to DKos Rec List! (2.00 / 5)

Just make sure you let everyone know that it's from the blog where all the cool people hang out! <grin>


by bobswern on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:51:20 AM EST
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Re: Took 10 secs. to make it to DKos Rec List! (2.00 / 1)

hehehe.

I guess theyre not so bad anymore?

anyways this was a great diary, i recced it and hope more diaries like this go on DKOS, and maybe a compilation could be submitted to huffpost and newsweek.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:43:36 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 4)

Yes we can, thanks to diaries like these.


by Falsehood on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:32:50 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Rec's, and a Salute.


We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:33:38 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 8)

I'll drink to that, and a toast to Hillary Clinton and all of her loyal, hard-working supporters, too.


by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:35:21 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 7)

I was just thinking--imagine how the race this year would have been different if only Clinton or Obama had been running.

If only Clinton had run, the race would probably also have quickly come down to Hillary vs. one other person, most likely John Edwards, because without Obama, Edwards would have won Iowa.

If Edwards had run the same early course as Obama and run 11 wins in a row, I think Hillary would have dropped out. Edwards being our previous VP nominee would have been the one person who could make an honest claim to be "ready" more than Hillary, and there would have been a lot more pressure from the party for her to drop out. Conversely, if Edwards had not been able to hold on through Super Tuesday, Hillary probably could have buried him with fundraising and put him away early.

On the other hand, say only Obama had been running this year. If he and Edwards finished 1-2 in Iowa, it also would probably have quickly come down to those two, with Edwards likely coming much closer in SC, and probably winning NV on the basis of his labor support. That race might also have gone on for a while, but having seen Obama's amazing ground game in later states, I don't think Edwards had the same kind of team, and if he couldn't put Obama away early I think he would have faded.

But here's the difference--
If it had been one of them vs. Edwards (or vs Joe Biden), even if the primary went all the way, the dynamics between the two candidates would have been different. Both Obama and Edwards represented "change" constituencies. Both Clinton and Biden were "experience" candidates. Only Clinton and Obama, though, each presented a truly historic candidacy.

So, to cut this short, what I'm trying to say is the only reason things got so deeply divided is that both candidates represented something that so deeply inspired people.

And while only one can be president, I hope that once people realise exactly how much each campaign achieved in strengthening the base of this party, they will see just how unstoppable we will be in November, if we work together.


by 2501 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:36:25 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 3)

I don't think Edwards had the same kind of team, and if he couldn't put Obama away early I think he would have faded.
Edwards *entire* strategy was to win Iowa and then work the mojo of the bounce. It wasn't a bad idea, but it just didn't have a chance against Obama. (I think it would have worked against Clinton). The thing is, though, Edwards had plans out *long* before Clinton or Obama on Health Care, poverty and a host of other issues and he did a lot early on to push them to become *much* better candidates, so even with his early exit from the racing, having him in it from the start made for some real benefits in the campaign.
I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:14:24 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

Edwards had a health care plan before Hillary? I don't think so.


by SophieL on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:39:54 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Edwards had specific plans out on health care long before Clinton or Obama. Clinton may have had a plan before that, but she wasn't sharing it with anyone.
I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:26:24 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

with all due respect - and Edwards was my first choice with Obama my second - the fact that Clinton did not have the nuts and bolts of a healthcare plan posted before Edwards is hardly relevent given her work on the issue in the 1990's.  Yes, the republicans body-slammed her initiatives, but she was in the lead long before polls showed a clear majority in favor of universal healthcare.


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by edparrot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:08:24 PM EST
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thank you for a great post! (2.00 / 3)


by slinkerwink on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:59:27 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

I think we will all be quite pleased with the platform Obama lays out soon. Between Edwards and Clinton, he HAS to adopt one of their universal healthcare plans, and I would hope he'll pull on a couple of other key ideas that they want him to push as well.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:09:30 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

No way.  His non-mandatory plan was aimed at the GE, not the primary.  It was an unpopular position among Dems, but will do better against indies and repubs.  He won't change it now.  Maybe after the election, when the Dems are firmly in charge, he could try to push the envelope.


by nwgates on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:35:05 PM EST
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Wonderful post (2.00 / 2)

Mojo for unity.

It's been nice to see so much coalescence around the nominee in just a couple of days. I believe more than ever that after Saturday and Clinton's endorsement of Obama, the number of voters threatening to jump to McCain will plummet. Sure, some will hold out and come back later. Some will never come back. But the majority of those not sold on Obama yet will come over very soon.


by elrod on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:10:37 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 3)

Beautiful diary. I commend you.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:15:58 AM EST

Rec'd (2.00 / 4)

Mojo'd.

Let's beat McSame's ass.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:16:31 AM EST

Harumph! Harumph! Harumph! (2.00 / 1)

In honor of the recently departed Harvey Korman and his wonderful role as Hedley Lamarr in Blazing Saddles I will just say......

Harumph!

Give the governor a Harumph!


by pattonbt on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:18:19 AM EST

Rising to my feet... (2.00 / 2)

Bravo, bravo, bravo!


There had better be cheese at the end of this maze...
by LoosCanN on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:30:07 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Great diary, and a pleasure to rec.

"this election was never about Hillary Clinton, and it was never about Barack Obama, but it was about all the people."

I'll sign up for that. Bush/Cheney is all BC. Looking forward to AD, anno Democrats.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:35:15 AM EST

Re: Ad = After Dean's election to DNC chair (none / 0)


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by edparrot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:09:19 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

I sincerely hope that Hillary suspends her campaign, not quit totally. Where she still retains her delegates. She won more votes than Obama. She certainly earned her delegates. And most of her supporters, me included, want to have a strong part in the future of our Democratic Party.

A lot can change in 3 months of GOP attacks till the convention.


Elvis has left the building.
by True Blue Dem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:37:09 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

Your views are poisonous.  You're actually hoping something happens so that Hillary can step in?  Did you even read the post?  It's not about HER, for goodness sake.  Grrrrrrrrrrrr


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:21:26 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

I originally supported Obama but switched to Hillary last fall after observing a number of the debates.  I am proud of that choice. Obama is a great candidate and I think he can be a good President.  I will vote for him in November because I am a loyal Democrat that has always pulled the lever for the party's nominees.

My level of support for his campaign will depend on the kind of judgment he shows in uniting the party and picking a VP.  

My first preference is for him to pick Hillary as VP.  She is the most qualified by far in my view. I am not conditioning my vote for Obama on that.  That wouldn't be fair to him as the nominee.  However, I am conditioning my level of enthusiastic support for him based on how he arrives at that decision.  

When Bill Clinton picked Al Gore it had a universally unifying effect on the party.  Jerry Brown led a significant number of disgruntled Democrats long after Clinton had essentially wrapped up the nomination.  Picking Gore showed that Clinton had no insecurities about choosing someone who was arguably more qualified for the job and who probably would've beaten him had Gore decided to run for President in 1992. Gore was universally regarded as a great pick from all wings of the party, and people saw Clinton in a new light.  They began to trust that this young man had the judgment to be President.

Obama has the same challenge and needs to make that kind of pick.  Clinton, Clark, Edwards, Biden, Bayh are the types of picks that can really help.  Choices like Sebelius, Napolitano, Daschle will not give confidence in his leadership.


by khyber900 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:37:18 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

Bravo, thank you.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:08:52 AM EST

Count me in! (2.00 / 1)


Unity Ticket: The best damn way to kick John McCain's Ass in November!
by aurelius on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 03:42:44 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 4)

She plotted a par 72 strategy on a par 70 course. That's my view as a Hillary supporter and it's damn tough to rationalize. Forfeiting the presidency, nothing serious. Mark Penn should be airlifted, like the final scene in The Blob.

Minus Florida and Michigan it was masochistic to forge a big state agenda. It's like Tiger Woods' record in the majors, 50% dominant on par 72 layouts then dramatically worse on 71 or 70. Take away the four par 5s and he's more ordinary, his prime scoring opportunities gone. Similarly, Hillary had to know once Michigan and especially Florida were iffy at best she couldn't sidestep all those backroads states in February.

Hillary essentially birdied/eagled the par 5 states, parred the par 4s, but triple bogeyed the tiny par 3 states, and that's a losing card on a level like this.

"Well, I guess I'm an Obama girl now." That was my sister's summation via email today. She's hardly enthusiastic. Nor am I. This may be the first Democratic nominee I support minus any passion for the candidate himself. As much as I liked Obama during the early stages, his arrogance during stump speeches beginning in perhaps mid March masterfully pushed me aside. He was clearly annoyed Hillary wouldn't abandon and that impacted his facial expression and tone for 2+ months. Last night was an energetic improvement but it lacked clever and memorable phrases or themes. It starred only in comparison to get-the-hook McCain.

Obama vs. McCain will be like the old Battling Tops game from my youth, Change vs. My Friends.

What's the over/under on use of those terms, now until November? Got to be staggering.

Give me change. But with Obama I'll always feel shorted.


by Gary Kilbride on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:32:23 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

Yeah... I barely understood what you said there. I'm guessing it has something to do with golf. :-)


by Aris Katsaris on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:46:43 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

Yeah - at the beginning I thought how great that we have so many good candidates but as it narrowed I really started getting annoyed at Obama's comments and expressions. He was constantly using republican talking points and labeling her as a liar , grasping and dishonest. You don't do that to a fellow democrat especially since those are the how the repugs have labeled the Clintons for 2 decades. Then I watched the Texas debate and couldn't believe the grinding of his teeth and the barely controlled anger he showed.

No sorry- I will vote for and support every democratic candidate on the ballot in November except Obama. It is also his arrogance that will prevent him from putting Hillary on the ballot and reuniting the party. That is sad because Obama will lose in the fall without that  critical group of voters that she can bring. Does no one understand that the "inevitable" winner should not have lost 8 of the last 16 contests. But after watching the dems lose to an incompetent George Bush in 2004 simply because of a purple band-aid I guess we are our own worst enemy.

It is hard to be a democrat.


by Bornagaindem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:44:13 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 3)

you're really in the wrong place if you're still beating the "I'm not voting for Obama no way, no how" drum. If you can't even bring yourself to say something conciliatory in a diary like this, then don't say anything at all.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:07 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

Ummm, if Obama lost 8 of 16, and no winer should lose 8 of 16, my math would tell me that Hillary also lost 8 of 16, so, ummm, by your logic, neither should be the nominee! That's funny:)


by alectimmerman on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:52:20 PM EST
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I'm a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

and arranging now through private email to pay my lost bet of a couple of months ago:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/4/25/2 085/31235/141#141

I contacted JDF on Tuesday night, as soon as the results came across that Obama had crossed the finish line.

We two characters (and I hope he doesn't mind that I publicly speak of him) have exchanged friendly and understanding emails between each other both respecting the position and cheering section of the other.

We've always been on friendly terms, even as I prepare to mail off to him the $50.00 I lost on our friendly wager.

Key point I wish to make is that we are all Democrats and family. Show me one family that doesn't argue among themselves and I'll show you the script from an old movie titled, "The Stepford Wives".

To my good friend, JDF, and all you other Obama supporters congratulations on a race well run.

Please allow me a little space to elbow my new-found way into your ranks.

Both my wife and I have set aside some money for political contribution this election cycle. We doled out some to Hillary (sent another thank-you contribution to help her campaign debt tonight, as matter of fact) during the primary battle. We carefully kept the majority of our contribution money for the general election.

Hope you have done the same. This race is far from over and Barack will need even more money as this race runs down to November.

No way is John McCain going to beat Barack Obama if our humble contributions can help it.

Good luck and God bless, Barack. We're in your corner now!


by RickWn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:50:11 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

While I have sore feelings as well, I am sure that the great unifier for all of us will be McCain, whose attacks on Obama will be outrageous and un-American.


by Bob H on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:34:08 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 9)

I would strongly recommend that any Clinton backer (like myself) who's struggling to make the switch spend an hour or so with a couple of small-minded Conservatives.  

I did the other day -- I observed the secret-code arched eyebrow pursed lip exchange of knowing looks over  "that" Barack {Hussien}Obama -- I saw the utter flagrant detachment from and disinterest in the plight of the poor working class, the disadvantaged and those in desperate need of healthcare.

After spending some time with the TRULY bigotted, small-minded, self-congratulatory, tight-assed believers in economic natural selection, any Clinton supporter still clinging to the notion that Obama is the enemy needs their head and heart examined.

Go talk to a real conservative Republican.  Feel their disgust at a "one of them" serving as their president and then come back here.  There is an ugly element out there to fight, but they traditionally don't vote Democratic.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:08:55 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

An hour or so? 15 minutes ought to do it.:)


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:46:24 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, what you said.

I am a Hillary supporter, to the last minute of the last day, as the saying goes. I am wondering where I'm going to get even a tenth of this kind of energy for Barack. I have been playing with the idea of just voting downticket. I am waiting for him to say or do something that makes me want to pick him rather than get stuck with him.

But I would never vote FOR McCain and would never encourage any other Dem to do so.


by SophieL on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:50:10 AM EST
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Reasonable position (2.00 / 1)

Not everyone's gonna like Obama.  The only nominee I've ever voted for with any enthusiasm was Dukakis, and part of that is that he was from my home state.   Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry were OK, but I wasn't enthusiastic.  I would have felt the same way abut voting for HRC, but I would have done it of course.  I will be happier voting for Obama, but the only way I would have been truly enthusiastic is if Edwards won.

I even understand the Clinton supporters who feel like they can't vote for Obama.  What's hard to understand is if they actually want to vote for Mccain - they can't have been listening to anything Hillary stands for.


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by edparrot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:19:19 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

I'm only voting down-ticket.


by mmorang on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:23:27 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

have some mojo.... because, well, wow...  well said.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:02:09 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

When a DKos poster claimed there was no difference between Clinton and McCain, here's how I responded:

Let me go out on a limb and bet that you don't have small children who will have to suit up for McCain's 100-years-in-Iraq-bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran strategy.  For those of us who do, there's a stark difference between HRC and McSame.

It is a strong comment, and on most days I would probably not use such presumptuous language.  However, I do happen to have small children, and I am asking you as their father, please consider voting for Obama at the top of the ticket too.


by blank on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:28:51 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (1.50 / 2)

Never, I will never support Obama.


by handsomegent on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:21:46 AM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Never is a very long time.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:02:47 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

No just 150 days or so.


by handsomegent on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:09:32 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

No never is longer than that.

you said you would never support Obama.

So, after he is elected President, you will not support him then either one would presume.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:27:54 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

That is because you are a Republican , duh!


by alectimmerman on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:54:32 PM EST
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Words of wisdom, pollbuster. MyDD (2.00 / 2)

is, imho, shining like a star these past few days. I am proud to be a part of this community. And it is folks like you, pollbuster, and a whole bunch of Hillary and Obama supporters who are showing how it's done...McCain should just send in his resignation right now.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:07:40 AM EST

I'm in (2.00 / 6)

You can count on me in the fight to beat McCain.

Hillary Clinton was my first choice, Obama was my 3rd or 4th... but I am a lifelong Democrat. Period.

UNITY!


"Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been." Hillary Rodham Clinton - June 7, 2008
by twinmom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:53:41 AM EST

Well irony (2.00 / 2)

Obama is was also my third choice.

My first two left the race a long time ago.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:09:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's difficult for this Hillary supporter to have (2.00 / 2)

any enthusiasm for Obama.  Maybe when the media hype slows down a bit.  Still don't think he's qualified but my hope is that he will pick competent people to help run the country as he did to run his campaign.  Very very disappointed that Hillary lost the nomination.  Will vote for Obama because the thought of John McCain or any republican for that matter in office is terrifying.  But as I've been saying to the numerous people from the Obama campaign who have be phoning to solicit votes, he has my vote but not going to give him any money.


by laternighter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:00:00 AM EST

Re: It's difficult for this Hillary supporter to h (2.00 / 2)

It's always tough when your candidate loses, but Obama is identical to the rest of the Democrats who ran and lost on the VAST majority of issues.

Whatever their differences, rest assured that he'll make compromises to engage their supporters...and that includes Hillary supporters.

So welcome, and let's elect a progressive agenda into the White House. That is something any Democrat should be excited about.


by Reeves on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:26:04 AM EST
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Thank you! (2.00 / 2)

Hillary Clinton is still the New York state Senator. And there's a good chance she'll be taking on new and important roles in the future. Barack Obama will carrying our ideas and values to the Whitehouse. We are all Obama and Clinton supporters.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:34:35 AM EST

I liked everything about Obama's speech except (2.00 / 2)

the part where he said he wanted to give affordable health insurance to everyone who wants it.  

This is no joke.  I honestly had a smile on my face the entire speech, and was taking two steps forward towards supporting him now that Hillary is out, when I heard that, cringed, and took one step back.

I'll still vote for the guy, but his healthcare platform, which I find to be the most important election issue, just drives me nuts.  

People are irresponsible.  Millions of them only have car insurance because it is against the law not to.  Millions of Americans only have enough money to eat and have a roof over there heads as seniors because the government forced them to save for social security.  If Obama doesn't make health insurance mandatory, I will be paying out of my own pocket for some asshole who spends all his money on cigarettes and lottery tickets, while I'm busting my ass and being responsible.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:48 AM EST

Healthcare is a complex mess, imho BO's (2.00 / 1)

approach is the most likely to work.

I am so all over the map on healthcare even I am not sure what my position is.  At least for the exercise of trying to figure out what it is, lemme put some points down:

o  Lived in Canada half my life, in ~5-year chunks spread out from teens to 40s.

- the ability for everyone to run out and get fixed-up is wonderful.

- the limits on choosing how/where/when you get fixed up are at best frustrating

- the gov't deciding who can study medicine and who cannot is infuriating

- the built-in cost to everything in society is troubling

- the ennui and cynicism of Canadian medical staff is dispiriting

- watching Canadian pharmeceutical companies break patents so they can sell drugs that US companies spent hundreds of millions developing does huge damage to the R&D that otherwise saves lives.

o  All of the US Health Insurance companies have been my customers at one time or another.

- I've seen their corporate headquarters'.  Hundreds of millions of dollars on fancy atriums full of antique cars that makes no-one any healthier...

- I met a former Aetna exec on a plane.  She had left and started a patient's rights group after losing all faith in the industry.  Her words: "There was an unwritten rule that if an adjuster quit, all the files on their desk were destroyed.  That way, the patient had to fight to prove they had a claim, and we always made more money.."  Health Insurance companies increase their profits by denying healthcare - a twisted business model even to a freemarket capitalist like me...

o  I have watched friends declare bankruptcy over medical bills.

- including young families, veterans, succesful executives...

o  I follow the science.

- medicine was cheap 100 years ago, because there wasn't any.

- medicine imho will be cheap again in 100 years, because the Big R&D will be finished and economies of scale will rule

- in the meantime, it will be possble to save your daughter's life if you can afford the $10M that will be necessary to cover the cost of developing a procedure that will be obsolete five years later. It is fiscally impossible for the nation to spend what it will cost to develop and deliver all of the medical treatments all of the population will need...

This is at least one topic where I don't have a clue what the right answer is.  But I like Obama's position because it can improve a situation that I don't think has a solution...

-chris


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19:42 AM EST
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Re: Healthcare is a complex mess, imho BO's (2.00 / 1)

Actually his plan is designed to fail. It allows for massive freeloading. I would rather have NO plan than Obama's plan. It pretty much makes things even worse than they are right now believe it or not. Unless there is some sort of mandate there will be no way to control costs.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 03:33:27 PM EST
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Re: Healthcare is a complex mess, imho BO's (none / 0)

I guess we will find out, but "designed to fail" indicates that you think his entire approach is a complicated lie with some Evil Purpose behind it.  The only way I can see to embrace that belief is to go some way down the road to embracing all sorts of un-dis-provable Conspiracy Theories.  Having a friend who died on the plane that so many fervently swear did not fly into the Pentagon, I am rather skeptical of conspiracy theories...

I find Conspiracy Theories harder to believe than whether any healthcare approach put forth will work or not.


"Because after an eight-year hiatus it is vital to have a president who leads the country instead of lassoing, roping and branding it." Shaun Appleby
by chrisblask on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 12:09:49 PM EST
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Re: Healthcare is a complex mess, imho BO's (none / 0)

No I don't think it has an "evil purpose". I just think that it's inept and poorly thoughtout.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 07:01:52 AM EST
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Re: I liked everything about Obama's speech except (2.00 / 2)

Unfortunately, none of these plans make that much of a difference. Universal health insurance is not the same as universal healthcare.

Health insurance is not easily portable between jobs, discriminates on pre-existing conditions, and finds every reason possible to make you pay for treatment. And I'm talking about the corporate-sponsored variety.

God help you if you're paying for it all out of pocket.

On this point, Obama and Clinton both have a lot of work to do. Both of their plans are mere stepping stones toward the single-payer option we must eventually move toward.


by Reeves on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:34:26 AM EST
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Re: I liked everything about Obama's speech except (2.00 / 1)

Both Clinton and Obama's plans address at least the pre-existing issue.  Which IMO is in the top three problems w/healthcare (the others are the overall cost to the country and the fact that so many people don't have it)


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by edparrot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:22:42 PM EST
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good diary (2.00 / 1)

i'm an obama supporter so obviously I like any of these types of diaries but I have to say you really captured his message.  

I give respect to Obama for giving the message but lots of respect to you for making it your own and delivering at just as eloquently.  

Kudos.


by ab03 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:23 AM EST

I am completely crushed at this point. (2.00 / 4)

I cannot express my disappointment, it is too great.

But, I am working towards getting on board with putting Obama in the White House.

It is just going to be a slow migration over to his side for me.  I don't like what went down during this campaign in regards to Hillary.

But, I will come around.


by Al Depansu on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:34:40 AM EST

I'm with you (2.00 / 4)

My motto right now is that hopefully by the fall I will be able to vote for Obama with enthusiasm... but if not I will vote against McCain with enthusiasm.

It amounts to the same thing in terms of my vote, for Obama... but I do hope that he manages to win me over.

Trying to keep an open mind.


"Life is too short, time is too precious, and the stakes are too high to dwell on what might have been." Hillary Rodham Clinton - June 7, 2008
by twinmom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:49:35 AM EST
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I hear ya (2.00 / 2)


by Al Depansu on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:49:08 PM EST
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Re: I'm with you (2.00 / 2)

It is comments like these that remind me why I am a Democrat.  Republicans don't write conciliatory messages to each other after a vicious primary battle.  Thank you.


by ProgressiveDL on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:07:17 PM EST
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Re: I am completely crushed at this point. (2.00 / 1)

I will not come around as things stand right now.

Hillary didn't even tell Obama that she was endorsing him Saturday. He is disrespecting the 18 million people who showed up to support her by not picking her as his running-mate. Its his decision and its ours as well.


by mmorang on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:34:15 PM EST
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Re: I am completely crushed at this point. (2.00 / 1)

I've seen more people - online at least - who proclaim that they wouldn't vote for him even if he does select her as VP. Trying to please these deadenders isn't even be a factor, as it will change nothing. If he chooses her, it will be because she was the best choice, not because you feel she deserved it.


by mechascorpio on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:54:30 PM EST
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Re: I am completely crushed at this point. (2.00 / 1)

If he chooses her it will be because it's in his political interest to do so and not for any other reason. She's one of the most qualified candidates in history, so her qualifications will not be an issue at all.


by mmorang on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:07:35 PM EST
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When will there be consequences? (2.00 / 2)

At this point, I'm feeling more disgust than disappointment.  I don't know how many times the rec'd diary on dKos started out, "Why I'll never vote for Hillary Clinton."  To say nothing of all of the non-Progressive strategies used to support Obama and get him the nomination.

My heart really broke Wednesday morning when my 14 year old daughter took a look at the front page of the newspaper.  "Hillary lost," was all she could say.  But the tone in her voice ...  She sounded like you must feel.

So I'm thinking what is the best way that I can use my vote on her behalf?  Do I fall in line?  I certainly don't want to see McCain become President.

But, when will there be consequences for those Obama supporters who were willing to sell out so many progressive values in pursuit of victory?  So many willing to say anything or do anything just to get Obama the nomination.

There's no way I'll ever vote for McCain.  But I'm  not sure that I will be able to vote for Obama.  I always have the option of writing in Clinton.  If people on the Dem blogs want to throw me out for such a transgression, so be it.


by dbrown04 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:35:21 PM EST
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Re: When will there be consequences? (none / 0)

I'd definitely hope you might think about voting for Barr, but a Hillary write-in is respectable, and a lot better than voting for McCain.


by ProgressiveDL on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:09:11 PM EST
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Re: When will there be consequences? (none / 0)

"Vote for Barr"??? Either you know nothing about him or you are not really a progressive.


by Do Something on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:48:43 PM EST
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Re: When will there be consequences? (none / 0)

Ha, is this snark?  You do realize I mean voting for Barr as a way to take votes from McCain, right?


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 07:59:14 AM EST
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Re: When will there be consequences? (none / 0)

I am a young woman.  I will be going to law school.  Being a lawyer is a profession where you hit an evident glass ceiling if you choose to start a family.  I weighed both candidates and decided Obama  was the better choice.  

Your little girl was right in being upset that Clinton lost.  But we are nominating the first black candidate for president. This is a remarkable thing.  It helps pave the way for more women, more minorities, etc.  Clinton and Obama's positions are remarkably similar.  I ask you to vote for Obama because of your little girl.  We could lose up to maybe three Supreme Court members in the next few years (most of the more liberal court members).  For reproductive rights and equal pay please vote Obama.  He is a man and he has two young little girls also.


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:19:32 AM EST
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What about the next time? (none / 0)

OK, suppose I vote for Obama this time around.  Then the next time a women is running for President the same sexists and mysognists come out of the woodwork and use the same strategy to defeat her that were used against Clinton.  Is that what's best for my daughter or is it best to take a stand right now?

I was struck yesterday by a story on WBUR that the number of cases of domestic violence that end in murder doubled in Massacuhsetts between last year and this year.  Frank Rich did an editorial a couple of months ago about the rampant violence against women in the United States.

Then I look at what was done to Hillary on dKos, just as an example.  I think, maybe today's the day to draw a line in the sand.  Today might be the best opportunity for women to stand up and say "enough."

You think a warning to dKos that "the next time you treat a female candidate the way you treated Hillary Clinton, I'm going to abandon the coalition?"   From my perspective, this is the "next time."


by dbrown04 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:08:27 AM EST
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Re: What about the next time? (none / 0)

I can't speak for Kos, but I am not anti-women.  I was just anti-women-who-voted-to-give-the-preside nt-the-authority -to-invade-iraq.  i thought obama would be better than hillary, and neither race nor gender was nearly as important as previous actions or future plans...

if you think that what's best for your daughter is to support mccain, i'll make sure to save up my coathangers in case she needs them in the next four years...


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:48:08 AM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

nicely done. rec'd.


by wasder on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:53:21 AM EST

Re: Very nice diary. (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for writing it. You know, if the shoe had been on the other foot I would have gladly worked for and voted for Sen. Clinton. No matter what my differences there's no way on earth I would want to be part part of dooming millions to McCain.

Life isn't perfect and neither is Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton but both are 1000% better than McCain. Now it's time for all Dems to crush the GOP, put Sen. Obama in office as president and start to change our country for the better. It won't be easy, mistakes will get made, but if we're all vigilant the end result will be a better USA.


by Bastet on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:04:56 PM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

I wish I could join in your enthusiasm, but I'm a bit tired of the media-created, blog-driven politician of new.

Barack Obama will NOT get my support in November, but neither will McCain.  I liked McCain back in 2000, but now he's just a shell of the man he once was.  

Perhaps, if he gets the energy he had back then and pulls in the moderate conservatives, Republicans and Independents, he will give Obama run for his money.

I believe all this "negative" press around McCain and the Republican Party is a ruse to lull Obama followers and some Democrats into complacency or at the very least, delusions of grandeur.  But like many, many women, I done with the Democratic Party.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/political_commentary/commentary_b y_froma_harrop/white_women_take_the_glov es_off

And it's about time.  


by stefystef on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:56:50 PM EST

My wife is with you on this. (none / 0)

I think that it is very clear from the way things went down that this country tolerates sexism far too much, and finds it far too easy to demonize any woman, especially a powerful one.

Still and all, two wrongs don't make a right, and I really fear supreme court justice choices with more republicans in the white house, especially one like mcCAIN.


by Al Depansu on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:23:59 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Yeah...I am feeling just like the people quoted in the article you linked.  Except the fact that I can't bring myself to vote for a Republican.  Won't happen.

Not only am I pissed for myself but I am really pissed that the Democrats have risked this election by allowing rampant sexism and Hillary-hate to go unchecked because it was helping their chosen candidate.  

Now people want to step up and say "hey, that was happening and it's wrong".  Wow, how astute.  Not.


by JustJennifer on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:03:56 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Unifying the party is the responsibility of Obama. So far he hasn't tried. We'll see if he does try.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 03:29:05 PM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (none / 0)

No matter what he says or does, you will never be convinced that he has already started. Furthermore, as you are a self-proclaimed proud independent voter, I suspect you don't even care. That's your pride right there.


by mechascorpio on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:51:16 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

You're probably right. But the still endless Bill is a bad man and Hillary threw an almost guaranteed opportunity to win the White House away because of X in the same place where people are espousing unity does not help. At all. The media is still doing what the media has done for ever. They want Hillary to be beaten - at length. They want Obama supporters (which include most Hillary supporters already) to act out and feed off the Hillary hatred. They want her to have been forced to concede after all her previous supporters took her by the throat and said listen up. They are still acting out their hateful harangues and it is not helping.

Nobody is forcing Hillary to do anything. Neither she not her supporters work for the media or exist to create tittilating and dramatic stories. We will not be wanked around by them. Things take time and Hillary has already endorsed Obama several times. Things are moving very, very quickly. No one is giving her ultimatums or threatening her with the end of her political career except those people whose goal was always to see that happen anyway.

If all the posters here and on the internet would just adopt some of the intelligence and grace of Obama himself, and get over themselves at the same time, we would realize that the unity thing that they are saying is their motivation is already in full swing.

People who say they are going to vote for McCain for any reason do not belong here. They are just hanging around to suck up intelligence and piss people off. Or they are Republicans. An Independent label does not prevent anyone from being a Republican if they state they are voting for McCain. There is no similarity whatsoever between Hillary's policies and McCain.

There is really very little difference between Obama's and Clinton's. This is all just about people needing to be heard and taking advantage of an opportunity to vent. Those who want to vote for McCain should just leave, however. You obviously never supported Hillary in the first place or really cared about what she was fighting for if you are able to state that you intend to vote for McCain. She has asked her supporters many, many times not to vote for McCain. She has asked her supporters to vote for and work for Obama. You're obviously a past Clinton supporter if you are unwilling to do that.


Barack Obama is my President. He'll be yours, too.
by Jeter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:56:57 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

I'm mechascorpio, and I approve of this ^ message. :)


by mechascorpio on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:15:55 PM EST
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Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 1)

great diary.  

You know, i was a huge obama supporter from day one.  I got an obama button before he even threw his hat in the race, for chrissakes!

However, if hillary (or any of the others) had won the primary, i would still have busted my ass to get them elected.  Kerry was not my top choice, and in retrospect, he was probably not the smartest candidate to run in 2004.  BUT, even though he didn't initially light my fire, i worked my ass off for him.  And by November, boy i was fired up and ready to go!

now's the time to unite the party.  we can quibble among ourselves about the details (the candidates), but when push comes to shove, we're fighting for the same things.  Time to show a united front.  

Down with Bush-McCain!


by bluedavid on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:02:12 PM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 2)

Actually over the last month or two, I am starting to agree with you that the Long Campaign helped us.  If it had gone to Denver, then no, but since it ended now, I'd say it worked very very well.  It raised excitement.  It brought out new voters.  But even better, it made BOTH of our candidates better.  Obama improved as a campaigner and debater as we went on.  I'd say he has probably been fully vetted now and he learned how to handle a political shitstorm, such as Kerry faced with the Swifties.  He learned how to hit his opponent and keep the opponent on the defensive.

If Hillary had won, she would have learned from this as well.  She learned how humanize herself as the campaign went on.  She became a better more strategic campaigner later in the game as well (over the last two months especially.)  She learned to change on the fly and adapt instead of staying rigid.  Honestly, had she learned this faster, there is a good chance she would have won this thing.  

Personally, I think McCain is going to be beat... badly this fall.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:22:04 PM EST

Re: View from a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 3)

The cries of the campaign hurting Democrats was just part of the coercion campaign to get Clinton to drop out to give Obama an easy ride, as he's had his whole political career.

Indeed, just as prosecutors prep witnesses for what they might get from the defense (and vice versa), so did Hillary Clinton do Obama a big favor.  We saw how rattled he got in debates when challenged and how shaken over the Wright stuff and other bombs. Imagine if that had all happened during the General.

He'd have sunk like a stone.

Clinton may well be responsible for Obama winning in November.


by Juno on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:55:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

In my view (none / 0)

The only way that she'd be responsible for helping Obama win in November is if she becomes a strong advocate of his (which does not necessarily exclude her from offering criticism on policy).

In time, I hope that those of you who see him through her false characterizations of him will come around.  

No disrespect.


by Grand Master Peace on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:10:15 PM EST
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Re: In my view (none / 0)

You missed the point of my post.


by Juno on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:12:39 PM EST
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Re: In my view (2.00 / 1)

Btw, what false characterizations?

Obama's supporters have been far more brutal toward her, even after he clinched the nomination, which has been something to behold.

They really do beg the question: if the Inspired Ones behave like this in victory, one can only imagine how they'd have behaved had Obama lost.


by Juno on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:13:51 PM EST
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Re: In my view (none / 0)

We saw how rattled he got in debates when challenged and how shaken over the Wright stuff and other bombs.

1 debate out of 21.  After the ABC fiasco he cut into Clinton's lead in Penn (made her spend all her money) and crushed her in NC and pulled off a tie in Indiana. The week AFTER Wright appeared.

You statement does not hold up well to reality.

It's called wishful thinking and concern trolling (something you've been doing all day long).


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:28:51 PM EST
[ Parent