Look Back, But Move Forward

I apologize for singling a poster out, but this comes in response to this post, which came in response to a call for unity. I really have trouble understanding this mindset.

Is it just going to take some time to put the more quarrelsome parts of the primary season behind us? Ok, I get that. Do all sides have to reach out and seek common ground? Makes sense to me. But what I really fail to grasp is the people for whom this is so one-sided.

Maybe it's that I've never really attached myself to a primary candidate that lost. Gore was the inevitable candidate in 2000, and I never found anything in Bradley to change that for me. I liked Dean in 2004, but not so much that I found any difficulty in voting for Kerry when California's primaries arrived.

I participated in a Zogby poll yesterday that asked who I would vote for in both an Obama/McCain election and a Clinton/McCain contest. I wouldn't consider voting for McCain, nor would I stay away from the polls, for anything short of a life-threatening illness or injury. Yet I consistently hear from Clinton supporters on here that they need...something from Obama before they'll vote for him. Are you kidding me?

Your candidate's campaign has called my candidate a sexist, elitist, naive, neophyte who doesn't have the experience to be President, but she's willing to accept that he's not a Muslim, and because my candidate won, you all need hugs and kisses because Barack Obama dared to win the nomination.

A candidate who has steadily refused the low road, even as his patriotism was questioned, even as past acquaintances and associates of no particular closeness were held up as scandals in the making. If Senator Clinton were going to repeat the same outrages that have been done to her and her husband in the past, she should at least have recalled how ineffective they proved.

Even as her supporters combed his words for supposed sexism, claimed he wouldn't even be in the running if he weren't black, and absurdly asserted that he gave her the finger on national television, he did not pounce on her "misstatements", did not call her a liar, and simply took at face value that she was tired when she repeated factually incorrect statements several times.

When he was attacked in the media, the Clintons told him "if you can't take the heat..." When she was attacked in the media, the Clintons said they had never seen such a relentless assault.

Exit poll after exit poll after exit poll say that significantly more people felt that her attacks were unfair than his were, even in states that she won. Call this a result of media bias if you must, but it's how people feel!

And as the primaries come to a close, when his tenacity and grace under fire have kept his momentum going while his campaign's superior planning has won him the nomination, you expect him to apologize for the "terrible injustice" that he somehow perpetrated by winning?

I just think of Chris Rock saying, "What do you want, a cookie?"

It is damned hard to pull myself back from that mindset.

It is damned hard to hear her reference Bobby Kennedy's assassination and not think the worst.

I probably don't succeed as often as I should, and I apologize for that. I realize that the majority of Clinton supporters here and across the nation are probably going to vote for Obama in November. I realize that Clinton herself will work to make this a reality, and the occasional bouts of paranoia that occasionally lead Obama supporters to question this are just an aftereffect of a long and difficult struggle.

The campaign has been brutal. Both candidates have been bloodied by each other, bloodied by their own mistakes, bloodied by Republicans who are hoping to distract themselves from their lack of enthusiasm for their own candidate and bloodied by a media circling like sharks at the smell of blood.

None of that matters now.

Every single issue that Hillary Clinton has championed throughout the primary season will be far better off in the hands of a President Obama than those of President McCain.

The nation will be safer, better educated, have better health care, better judicial appointees, have cleaner air and water and be more respected in the world community under a President Obama than a President McCain.

The Hundred Years War will end sooner. No Child Left Behind will be replaced by a national education agenda that's name isn't a sad Orwellian joke. The environmental standards and regulations that have languished for the past eight years will be enforced. A health care plan better than "don't get sick" will become the national standard.

I've supported Barack Obama's candidacy for nearly 18 months now, but I freely admit that ALL of the above would likewise be true under a President Clinton. At this point, I can't imagine a scenario for her becoming the nominee that I wouldn't find absolutely loathsome, but in the end, the singular duty I have to my country supersedes my personal feelings towards the candidates.

If you genuinely believe Barack Obama will not work to end the war in Iraq as quickly as possible, will not ensure a fairer tax system then we've seen under George W. Bush, will not fight to create a better health care system, a better educational system, a cleaner environment...

If you believe that, I think you're crazy, but at least you have a reason. But if your reason to not want to vote for Barack Obama in November is "he said," "his campaign said," "a supporter on a blog said," and the like, then I suggest you follow the advice of Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter:

Hey, you can be disappointed, you can be ticked off. Take a week or ten days to vent, and then get back on board -- we have to win.

If you can't bring yourself to work for Obama, there's certain to be a Democratic candidate in your state or your district for Senate, House, the State Legislature, Mayor, someone you feel is worthy of your time and energy. Someone who your city, state or country will be better off with in office next year than the candidate with the R after their name. Spend a little time there. It doesn't have to be a lot. One Saturday afternoon, even. While you're there, ask the volunteers or staffers or even the candidate if he or she is available who they'll be voting for in November.

It'll get easier, and America will be better for it.



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Considerations (2.00 / 2)

Reading this post, it doesn't exactly come off as conciliatory. Not that that was the tone I was striving for, but it's probably fair to say that Obama supporters might need Gov. Rendell's ten days as much as Clinton supporters will.

If anyone on the blog's still got the ability to tip/rec, I welcome such.


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:21:49 AM EST

Re: Considerations (none / 0)

Now your critiquing your own diary too? That's bizarre. In reference to "OJ," I totally agree with him/her. Of course you don't understand because most of the Obama supporter's see it as sport to trash the former first lady. I personally lived very well during the Clinton administration and have the utmost respect for Bill and Hillary Clinton.


by soyousay on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:03:07 AM EST
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Re: Considerations (none / 0)

Clearly your ten days haven't started yet.

But I'm glad you personally lived very well in the 90's. Puts all those silly trivialities like "Iraq" and "health care" and such that I was talking about in perspective.


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:15:52 AM EST
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Economy not trivial (none / 0)

I wouldn't call the economy trivial. Especially now. What's wrong with you?


by soyousay on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:27:09 AM EST
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Re: Economy not trivial (none / 0)

And you feel the economy will benefit more from the continuation of the Bush tax cuts than it would a return to sane fiscal policies and balanced budgets?

The "boom" of the 90's was created by the massive growth of a new American industry. This was aided by the Clinton Administration's increase of the H-1B visa program which brought skilled workers into the country and created high tech jobs HERE rather than shipping them overseas.

The problem with the 90's "boom" is that it was highly concentrated in the tech sector. Manufacturing jobs continued to go offshore at high rates, and sectors of the economy that were in decline then, such as automakers and the airlines, are in freefall now. The housing and construction industries which boomed in the 90's are in a decidedly bust state as well.

Again, I'm pleased you did well in the 90's (my family did as well,) but please don't conflate your own personal well-being with the economic health of the nation at large. We can't afford that kind of GOP-esque "I got mine" thinking.

If this situation were to recur, (the best bet for which is green production processes which require technical know-how and skilled labor which makes it difficult to offshore,) which candidate and which party do you think is going to be better able put the economy into position to take advantage of the situation, and extend the benefits to as many Americans as possible?


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:40:26 AM EST
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Polls positive for Clinton economy (none / 0)

And you feel the economy will benefit more from the continuation of the Bush tax cuts than it would a return to sane fiscal policies and balanced budgets?
I never mention Bush.

Again, I'm pleased you did well in the 90's (my family did as well,) but please don't conflate your own personal well-being with the economic health of the nation at large.
Polls toward the end of the Clinton Administration indicated that most Americans felt good about the economy; plus, the country had a surplus at the time. Of course you wouldn't know that, with the exception of heresay from your parents which isn't the same as experiencing it first hand.


by soyousay on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:55:01 AM EST
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Re: Polls positive for Clinton economy (none / 0)

correction - "hearsay"

You seem like a smarta@@ :D
I thought I'd correct this before you make an issue out of it too.


by soyousay on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:00:15 AM EST
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Re: Polls positive for Clinton economy (none / 0)

Oh you needn't worry, I'm far more likely to point out that while you find the age you think I am worthy of debate, your posts thus far are utterly without substance. Pointing out that it takes you two tries to spell a three sentence post seems decidedly superfluous.


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:16:00 AM EST
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faceless blogger (none / 0)

You're a faceless blogger, nothing more. Also, your post is an opinion, entertaining to read but no real substance. Good luck with that.

This faceless blogger is leaving the house (for now.)


by soyousay on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:31:39 AM EST
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Better faceless (none / 0)

than pointless.


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:39:57 AM EST
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Re: Polls positive for Clinton economy (none / 0)

The economy is one thing, but the worse aspect of his presidency is that he LOST the Democratic Congress and did NOTHING to help rebuild the Democratic party--and that has had a long term consequence of getting us to where we are today.

I shudder when I think that Clinton now has Terry McCaulife as as her campaign manager because I remember him very well. He was DNC Cheif from 2001-2005 during one of the WORSE losing streaks for the Democrats! He also did NOTHING to rebuild the party!!

Everyone understood that the GOP had us whipped when it came to their organization, their RNC stayed active during the entire time, not so the Democrats. I would always feel so estranged after an election when McCauliff would shut down and say 'we'll be back before the next election and this time we will win"--never happened.

In no way do I accept that phony frame of 'what didn't you like, the 'peace or prosperity"- what I didn't like was losing the Democratic Party that was becoming unglued, irrelevant and a loser as they sought to be more 'republican like' as did Clinton.


by Wary on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:06:25 AM EST
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Would you like some "whine?" (none / 0)

The economy is one thing
Heh, so now it's "the economy is one thing"<--- with that statement, I take it that you do believe that most Americans we're satisfied with the economy during the Clinton administration.

Now your comment is moving in a different direction. Sure, the Clinton adminstration had it's problems but can you name a better Democratic administration in the last fifty years?

Anyway, I have to leave, interesting perspective to say the least.


by soyousay on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:20:52 AM EST
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Obama Lacks on Healthcare, Economy... (none / 0)

I simply can't afford to vote for Obama.

I know the healthcare lobby is backing him because they are desperate to avoid universal healthcare.

He doesn't have what it takes on the economy either. he represents four more years of denial which will make the crash worse when it comes.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:32:26 AM EST
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Re: Obama Lacks on Healthcare, Economy... (none / 0)

I know the healthcare lobby is backing him because they are desperate to avoid universal healthcare.

You know this how, exactly? By the huge sums of money the lobby has given him? (hint: they haven't) And what, you figure McCain's going to be a better bet there?

He doesn't have what it takes on the economy either. he represents four more years of denial which will make the crash worse when it comes.

And you expect the continuation of the Bush tax cuts and the permanent war in Iraq will have a more beneficial effect on the economy?


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:50:07 AM EST
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Re: Polls positive for Clinton economy (none / 0)

I never mention Bush.

I'm aware. You don't actually mention anyone or anything except how well you were doing in the 1990's. It seems to be your sole concern.

Polls toward the end of the Clinton Administration indicated that most Americans felt good about the economy; plus, the country had a surplus at the time.

Polls in 2003 indicated that most Americans felt good about the economy. Shows the value of a poll, there. And no one is questioning that the fiscal policies of the Clinton Administration were sound. How you would compare the likely policies of Clinton, Obama and McCain and how it affects your voting in November is something I'm sure you'll expound upon at some point.


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:13:11 AM EST
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Re: Considerations (none / 0)

Yeah, the 90's were okay, but I'm not going to hold the Clintons up on a pedestal because of it. I see, however, you willfully ignored the fact they've been dishing out at least as much as they've been receiving- or, at least, seem to be laboring under the principle that it's okay, because the other guy deserves it, and your candidate doesn't. Sorry. If you'd at least have admitted she's gone over the top once or twice, you might've saved yourself some credibility there.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:51:18 AM EST
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Re: It's quite ironic (none / 0)

While I disagree with actions Jerome took that prompted you to select that username, I'd say that it doesn't help matters much. It's churlish and it diminishes the value of any message that you're trying to send.

I may not be aiming for conciliatory, but I'm not aiming for a stick across the knees, either. (Hockey metaphor, people. I tried to pick a sport I don't think either of the candidates likes or has pretended to like.)


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:43:29 AM EST

Re: Look Back, But Move Forward (none / 0)

I don't see why Obama supporters keep responding to this kind of stuff.  Obviously HRC supporters are disappointed and will need some time to get over it.  Let them have it.

No, Obama is not going to apologize for running what has widely been regarded as a clean and effective campaign.

However, there is little doubt that he will pay tribute to HRC (and her many supporters I'm sure) at the convention, and many times before then.

Hillary will make a full-throated endorsement of Obama at some point as well, and will undoubtedly vote for him.  If some of her supporters won't (even though she will), they are either not really Democrats, not anti-war, not pro-health care, not pro-choice, not sane, or ... wait for it ... not really that in tune with the candidate they claim to support (who, again, will endorse Obama, campaign for Obama, and undoubtedly vote for Obama.)

Seriously, can we talk about McCane now?


by NeverNude on Tue May 27, 2008 at 06:44:53 AM EST

Because we want to win (none / 0)

but even I'm getting tired of being nice against the endless "you stupid Democrats nominated a loser" attitude. I'm getting tired of being demeaned because I'm young, that I'm some sort of naive, inexperienced, starry-eyed cultist who needs to shutup and let the older people run the country because their wiser and more experienced.

If you don't realize why young people are voting for the new guy, you need to pay more attention to have things have been going for the last 20 years.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:02:14 AM EST
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Re: Look Back, But Move Forward (none / 0)

I would submit that if you hear an opponent say something and find it hard "not think the worst" then you have probably gone too far in support of your candidate.

Apparently this automatically thinking the worst is widespread. Those of us thought worst of find that reaction divisive, and when we see it driven by a self-described unifying campaign we lose our ability to trust that candidate.


by souvarine on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:09:46 AM EST

Re: Look Back, But Move Forward (none / 0)

Take the ten days.

This goes for anyone who is unable to see that supporters on both sides have been throwing punches, and anyone who feels their anger righteous and justified while the other side is misplaced and wrong.


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:26:30 AM EST
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Re: Look Back, But Move Forward (none / 0)

I don't have a problem separating supporters from the candidate, it is the candidate egging on his supporters that I cannot get past.

I've followed politics since the '70s, and I've been deeply involved in two presidential campaigns. In the past, even when my candidate did not win the nomination, I've been able to get behind the nominee. Looking back at those campaigns I realize that most of that is due to the graciousness of the nominee. In 2004 for instance Kerry never engaged in the worst, Gibbs style campaign against Dean, and he was very gracious in victory. This primary is different, Obama not only hired Gibbs, he seems to relish using Gibbs tactics to destroy Hillary Clinton.

If Obama wins we will see if he can be as gracious as Kerry, but to be frank Obama has a lot more to make up for than Kerry ever did.


by souvarine on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:44:04 AM EST
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Re: Look Back, But Move Forward (none / 0)

And how do you respond to all the exit polls that show that significantly more people found Clinton's attacks unfair than Obama's?


by nathanp on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:54:34 AM EST
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Re: Look Back, But Move Forward (none / 0)

Unfortunately, there are just too many of us (clinton supporters) that cannot or won't support obama.....

So looking back and/or moving forward is fine for those that want to support him should he be the nominee.

but those of us that don't want to support him, well - that's the beauty of America. It's our right.


by nikkid on Tue May 27, 2008 at 10:42:32 AM EST


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